Other than some one saying he ate donuts rather than come back to NY, does anyone know the real reason why he didn't pitch in 77? So why did you try to destroy the guy? It would appear that the one party who was jobbed in the deal was Lolich himself. April 23, 2003 My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. That's more realistic but generous, I think! (thankfully returning in '81). Lolich was signed by the Detroit Tigers as an amateur free agent in 1958. Raymond Malcuit Jr. The Mets traded the best player they ever had for a bunch of stiffs. One of these categories was frustratingly empty for over fifty years, but not anymore! But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? April 27, 2013 Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Benaway's Boat Delivery delivered groceries to cottages around the lake. Hey Mets Fan, Lolich never asked to be traded to New York. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. Rusty played another decade. John Bruce The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. LA-Mets Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. We are going all the way!" October 4, 2006 I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Shickhaus Franks But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. GoMets2006 Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. And Rusty Staub? Ramblin' Pete Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Fact is Lolich was always overweight. bob saunders Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? Peter He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. support. Hey Mets Fan, Lolich never asked to be traded to New York. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. Shickhaus Franks When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? April 30, 2009 But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. October 4, 2006 July 15, 2016 There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. LA-Mets Stu Baron Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. April 23, 2003 The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. October 13, 2008 Some items were recovered. He was my dad's favorite Met, though, I think because here was a gut with a gut as big as my dad's who was out there flinging baseballs for money. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. November 10, 2002 Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. If he had finished his career in Detroit, he probably would have been elected to the Hall Of Fame, with perhaps two more seasons of 15 wins. Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. November 3, 2006 Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the
October 19, 2011 Jamey Bumbalo As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." Laura15yearoldmodel Thanks for the memories, Mick! I agree with Doughnut Shoppe patron. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. John Bruce My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. The shop, the second Lolich has owned since 1979, flourishes because of his fame, his garrulous nature, and the baseball souvenirs on display, which later this week will include his own $3,500 replica of the Tigers' 1968 World Series trophy. Cut him some slack. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. That's more realistic but generous, I think! to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. I know the one in Lake Orion was probably open till the early 90s. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. November 10, 2002 ", 2023 ABG-SI LLC. Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. Lolich was a fine pitcher. April 6, 2012 The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. Dianna Jeanneh Jones Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. December 13, 2007 August 11, 2015 I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. July 15, 2016 He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. NYB Buff Man, those pitches were big ones. He later resurfaced with the Padres. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. October 4, 2006 Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Jim Snedeker Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. - Now for the trade itself. I'm still not clear - he traded Mickey Lolich to improve team speed? Bob P senor ortiz Shari Did you boo him or make fun out of him? Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the
July 15, 2016 Really? September 25, 2013 May 24, 2002 eddiek Cut him some slack. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. December 8, 2006 NYB Buff Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! All he represents for me was one of the many horrendous choices the Mets have made over the years, always going after washed up has-beens past their prime. October 13, 2008 (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Mr. Sparkle to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. Bartolo Colon etc). He flips his shades to the top of his head, orders a yuppie beer and chats with a group of middle-aged women at the next table. They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. He pitched very good ball for you. He easily could have won 15 or more games with any support at all. He pitched very good ball for you. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. August 7, 2018 April 27, 2013 etc. He struck out the first two batters he faced, Max Alvis and Sam McDowell. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. I agree with Doughnut Shoppe patron. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. April 30, 2009 In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. April 30, 2009 LA-Mets Read about Andrew Feustel LOHS Class of 1983. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. Ramblin' Pete In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. March 5, 2006 Let's understand one thing: this wasn't a "trade" in the traditional sense. November 3, 2006 He later came back to play for the Padres. Jamey Bumbalo Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. Perhaps you'll find yourself in a small club in San Bernardino some night and hear a husky voice crooning: "I went to a garden party/And out steps Muhammad Ali/He was throwing lefts and was throwing lights/Like he threw at me.", "We Irish all know how to sing," says Quarry, who has fronted for several California bands. He had terrific stuff. Really? The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. October 18, 2008 There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. And by the time he left Detroit, he was fatter than Lolich. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. ", His poetry would probably also stop Ali in his tracks. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. etc. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). NYB Buff September 29, 2007 As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. I would put Rusty for Lolich in second place. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. He easily could have won 15 or more games with any support at all. January 12, 2011 November 28, 2001 His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. October 4, 2005 August 7, 2002 Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. Pitchingwise, he made Hank Webb look like Tom Seaver. Randy Tate Baseball burnt him out. Really? There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Michael After one year in New York Lolich retired. After one year in New York Lolich retired. I thought Rusty filled that uniform out pretty well himself! Mickey Lolich was born in Portland, OR on September 12, 1940. - Now for the trade itself. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. November 3, 2006 Fattest guy ever to grace a Mets uniform Joe November 19, 2002 Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. bob saunders As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. Feat Fan Ron from Tampa mets In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. mets to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. feat fan Robert =Chuck= Mike B Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the
(And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. Shari His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Bob P Bobster1985 I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. He started 45 games and completed 29. Replied Thomas: "Evidently.". Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. His ERA jumped by more than a run to 4.77, and he compiled a 14-14 record in 40 games. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. August 7, 2018 I'm still not clear - he traded Mickey Lolich to improve team speed? Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the
He was my dad's favorite Met, though, I think because here was a gut with a gut as big as my dad's who was out there flinging baseballs for money. October 19, 2011 Mr. Sparkle feat fan If he had finished his career in Detroit, he probably would have been elected to the Hall Of Fame, with perhaps two more seasons of 15 wins. Mr. Sparkle Logan Swanson God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Mr. Sparkle I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. April 30, 2009 Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. Bob P That would make him a star in today's market. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. You can't be serious. This has never happened before? LA-Mets Actually, he was eating his way out of baseball, a fact which revealed itself as the 1976 season progressed. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. I would put Rusty for Lolich in second place. Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. Jim Snedeker MLB.TV Watch & Listen Archives . I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." July 31, 2002 Mickey liked his doughnuts. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. Dianna Jeanneh Jones December 13, 2007 God bless him wherever he is and good luck! $5 per night was considered expensive. Shickhaus Franks A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. April 24, 2003 The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! June 11, 2003
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